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Policy on discussing pay rate

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Sam_max50

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One of the managers at my organization wants a policy established that makes it a firing offense for employees to discuss their rates of pay with one another.

Obviously, they cannot actually be stopped from discussing whatever they want, however, I believe the point would be that managers do not want employees questioning why one employee is paid at a different rate then another.

Is this kind of policy common...or legal?

Katie_max50

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It's actually illegal. Employees have the right to form unions and collective bargaining agreements and this is a fundamental principal of that right. Now, your employees probably did not have this intent when discussing each other's wages, but nonetheless, it is protected. I don't know the specifics of what would actually happen if you terminated someone for discussing their wages, but expect to pay full UI benefits.

Katie_max50

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It is also illegal to discipline employees for talking about their wages with one another. The only thing you can do is ask them not to discuss it.

Mts_max50

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On this topic, does it only become illegal if someone is actually disciplined or terminated for discussing their salary or other compensation with other employees? A confidentiality agreement was recently issued at our organization (12 employees)that requested employees not discuss their compensation, with the exception of when it was necessary to conduct business. The statement further indicated that corrective action up to termination, would be taken.

Me_001_max50

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In California, employees are presumed to be "at will." At-will employees may be terminated for any reason, so long as it's not illegal. Generally, employees that work under an employment contract can only be terminated for reasons specified in the contract. The at-will presumption can be overcome by evidence that despite the absence of a specified term of employment, the parties agreed who the employer's power to terminate would be limited in some way.

Spring_2007_035_max50

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This is interesting, as I had a friend here in Minnesota that used to work at a place where they could get fired for talking to anyone other than thier leader about thier pay rates.

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Minnesota employees are also presumed to be "at will". Discharging an employee for discussing pay rates with others is not an illegal practice so long as the termination is not discriminatory. That is the decision can not be based on personal characteristics that are not job-related, i.e., age, race, sex, religion, national origin and/or disability. 

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I think it is an unwritten rule that employees should not discuss pay with their co-worker, however I have seen it language in CBAs that explicity state union employees have the right to discuss their rate of pay.  For a unionized environment it is very common.  I have employees come to HR all the time saying "so and so is making more than me and I've been here longer," or "so and so got a 3% increase in December and I haven't." 


What I think will happen if you company issues a policy, is that it will lead existing employees to wonder what is going on, why is there a policy on an issue that is considered to be personal and how can my company tell me that I can disclose  personal information.   Some employees may think the company has something to hide (pay discrimination).  For the most part, I am assuming that most employees would rather not share such information with their co-workers and therefore the policy will only speak to a few.


How will you be able to prove that an employee disclosed such information.  The employee can deny it and claim that such information leaked from another source (HR, the manager, payroll) and therefore, the burden of proof will be on the organization to prove that Sue told John how much she made.

Steve_doc_max50

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There is a leading consultant, his name is Hunter Lott. I lov ehis view on this.


Either you make it policy or not:


The benefits to sharing are: if I know how much you make and I don ot make enough, then I should have the attitude that "what do I need to do to get to where they are"


I know that this relys on our employees being professional...What a better way to hold them accountable and model the behavior that we all wish for in our organizarion.....


 


change is constant!!!!


 


Have an OUTSTANDINGLY AWESOME day!!!
Steven

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In California, employees have the legal right to discuss their OWN wages, regardless of any collective bargaining agreement.   However, absent any CBA, if the employer has a sufficient policy, they can be disciplined or terminated for discussing other people's (other than their own) wages.


Seek counsel's advice on what is legal in your state/province.


Personally, I prefer having openness in an organization and would advocate to have no restriction.  People who get upset over pay are going to be upset whether they can or can't talk about.  And employees generally do talk about it.  So instead of having the elephant in the middle of the room and nobody acknowledging it is there, point it out and deal with.   It's a gross analogy, but you can't eat an elephant in one bite!   It's big.  Cut it up into smaller portions and eat it up over a long period of time.   Seriously, determine a policy of openness, implement it and manage it and give it time to develop.  Don't whack people for being honest and even upset in the beginning of the openness era.   They will either adjust or leave, which is what they would do anyway.


Todd

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Discussing wages should be up to the employee whether or not to share the information.  Although I have seen it personally create barriers in the department when an employee is paid more then another with more experience and education.


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The NLRB Blows the Lid Off Confidentiality Policies


Many employers may now be in violation of Section (8)(a)(1) of the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) as the result of a newly released decision by the National Labor Relations Board (the Board).  


Most employers are aware that any rule prohibiting employees from discussing their own wages or terms and conditions of employment with co-workers violates Section 8(a)(1) of the NLRA, unless the employer has a legitimate and substantial business justification for the rule.  Historically, such violations have been found where employers explicitly instructed employees not to discuss these topics or disciplined them for so doing. 


Recently, however, the Board expanded the potential arena for these violations.  In Cintas Corp., 344 N.L.R.B. No. 118 (June 30, 2005), the Board held that a broadly stated generic corporate confidentiality policy violated Section 8(a)(1) because it “could reasonably be construed” to prohibit employees from discussing their wages or terms and conditions of employment.  Because broad confidentiality policies are so common, many employers will need to review and modify their longstanding confidentiality policies, even if they have never been applied to prohibit discussion

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Great info, thanks!


Todd